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On 7/30/24 11:38 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:<br>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 11:16:54AM +0200, Quentin Schulz wrote:<br>
>> Hi Jacopo,<br>
>><br>
>> On 7/30/24 9:50 AM, Jacopo Mondi wrote:<br>
>>> Hello<br>
>>> just for sake of discussion<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 12:55:10AM GMT, Laurent Pinchart wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi Nicolas,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 05:31:59PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:<br>
>>>>> Le dimanche 28 juillet 2024 à 18:54 +0300, Laurent Pinchart a écrit :<br>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 03:17:18PM +0000, Barnabás Pőcze wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> 2024. július 28., vasárnap 17:07 keltezéssel, Neal Gompa írta:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Hey folks,<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> I just found out today that libcamera exists on FDO GitLab[1], so I'm<br>
>>>>>>>> wondering why we aren't just using merge requests over there instead?<br>
>>>>>>>> Among other things, it makes it much easier for people to track what's<br>
>>>>>>>> going on with proposed changes, simplifies the process for new<br>
>>>>>>>> contributors, enables immediate feedback on the viability of<br>
>>>>>>>> contributions, and allows the mailing list discussions to be more<br>
>>>>>>>> focused on higher level things.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> [1]: <a href="https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/camera/libcamera">https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/camera/libcamera</a><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I have already asked about this. As far as I recall the TLDR is that the people<br>
>>>>>>> in charge like the mailing list + patchwork + bugzilla + etc. workflow better,<br>
>>>>>>> and GitLab is only used for CI.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The main issue with gitlab is the awful patch review and discussion UI,<br>
>>>>>> couple with the fact that it's quite difficult to customize workflows<br>
>>>>>> given the limited number of available tools compared to mailing list<br>
>>>>>> workflows.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Your answer seems completely based on personal taste (I'm fine with opinions,<br>
>>>>> don't read me wrong). Perhaps it could be nice to rephrase to make it clear its<br>
>>>>> a choice rather then bashing other flows. 'Awful' is your personal opinion (also<br>
>>>>> impression if you have never submitted MR to other projects). As an example, I<br>
>>>>> tend to describe the email flow the exact same way (or just 'painful'), but I'm<br>
>>>>> very cautious when saying that out-loud on ML, since this is clearly a personal<br>
>>>>> taste and I don't pretend others must agree.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There's certainly some amount of personal taste of course, as well as<br>
>>>> habit. These taste and habit are shared to various extents by several of<br>
>>>> the libcamera main contributors, but there's probably a bias given that<br>
>>>> they also come from a kernel development background. I will let them<br>
>>>> speak for themselves if they wish to do so.<br>
>>><br>
>>> To be honest, I had the very same position as you have: web UI reviews<br>
>>> are not usable for real work and they get in the way of getting things<br>
>>> done. I admit I sightly changed my mind recently.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In the last years I've been exposed more to the web forges workflow, and<br>
>>> even if I still find the review process clunky compared to emails, I<br>
>>> admit the issue system is proving to be quite helpful for me to<br>
>>> associate a context to a patch series, and the MR workflow saved me a<br>
>>> lot of time by providing summarized views of what has changed between<br>
>>> two revisions of the same series, something I otherwise have to keep<br>
>>> track of in my work tree, by applying the two revisions and diffing<br>
>>> them with git. Pushing a branch compared to a ['format patch' + 'copy<br>
>>> and update the cover letter' + 'check the right people is in cc'[*] +<br>
>>> 'git send-email'] is certainly faster, I don't think this can be<br>
>>> disagreed with.<br>
>><br>
>> Just chiming in here: if we had the archives on lore.kernel.org, you<br>
>> could do:<br>
>><br>
>> b4 diff -v 3 4 --<br>
>> <a href="https://lore.kernel.org/linux-hwmon/20240705213547.1155690-1-linux@roeck-us.net/T//#t">https://lore.kernel.org/linux-hwmon/20240705213547.1155690-1-linux@roeck-us.net/T//#t</a><br>
> <br>
> I don't think we could get our mailing list archived on lore.kernel.org<br>
> (or could we ?), but we could setup a public-inbox instance and use<br>
> <br>
<br>
If I were you I would ask Konstantin. We have archives for U-Boot and <br>
multiple Yocto MLs (<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/?q=yocto">https://lore.kernel.org/?q=yocto</a> and <br>
<a href="https://lore.kernel.org/?q=openembedded">https://lore.kernel.org/?q=openembedded</a>) on lore.kernel.org (and it's <br>
just a mirror of other ML archives I believe, since lists.denx.de, <br>
lists.openembedded.org and lists.yoctoproject.org are still working just <br>
fine). I don't know what would make a project's ML match the criteria <br>
for having archives there, but I think given that libcamera-devel isn't <br>
that high traffic it shouldn't be much of an issue, no deciding power <br>
here though :) That would also mean less IT (maybe) for you :)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Quentin<br>
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